Is rise of feminist movement tied to jim crow south and federalization of welfare?
http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showthread.php?8908-How-can-Feminism-convince-others-that-it-is-not-racist-when-it-really-is
Before I copy and paste this, I can only say, I've noticed in some of the writings of those who work with Janet Halley who write about Governance Feminism and feminists' influence on the international stage, that feminists have a tendency to work in fragmented ways. As a result, I'm guessing it is almost certain they had a role in Jim Crow south yet, at the same time, could always deny responsibility because they were always pretending to look at women's issues with a microscope and not seeing the forest for the trees. Yet, I highly suspect they DID see the forest for the trees because, ultimately, the jobs for women they always wanted to institute were ones that had "unintended consequences" resulting in oppression of men who were black at the highest rates, and in addition to which, these jobs were all service sector jobs which would not exist, but for the ability of industrial elites to mobilize a small number of working men into providing enough surplus necessities for the rest of the population, large enough to create the wealth necessary to create jobs for women feminists specialized in on a large scale basis. So, ultimately, economics says -- feminism depended on Jim Crow. And, Jim Crow policies enabled our country to exploit labor at the bottom cheaply enough to create the NON-PRODUCTIVE service sector "jobs for women" feminists claim THEY created simply by asking for it. Jobs which they really would not have had the time for -- but for their physical needs being provided for by the drudgery of others. Since, after all, food doesn't magically appear in refrigerators. Someone has to labor in the fields to grow it.
How can Feminism convince others that it is not racist when it really is?
By Alien Gearbox:
How can people (and esp. Feminism) be so extremely racist, while convincing the world they are the opposite?! I don't get it... I wonder if I am simply an ignorant idiot here...
Let's say we look at statistics on the job market, for some unexplained reason we divide it up into black people and white people (not sure how they place a dividing bar, when are you not enough black or white to be in the statistic?!)
Anyway lets say that we see that blacks have a harder time finding jobs than whites (I am not from the US, so I have no fucking idea)
AHA some idiot says while standing up with his finger in the air!
Lets make this program that helps black people find jobs!!
*everyone claps*
wtf?
is this not indeed a racist initiative? since the only ones who benefit from it is of a certain color?
why not just make a program that helps people find jobs who have a hard time finding jobs? why does it have to by based on skin color?!
if more blacks have problems finding jobs, more blacks will use the program anyway, then it will not be racist bullshit that excludes those of other colors who have an equally hard time finding jobs albeit fewer in numbers, but even so no less important to find jobs for...
Am I misunderstanding something here?
please, someone enlighten me.
I would not be surprised at all if Feminism is the main reason why the black community in the US have been fucked over so extremely thoroughly today : /
Feminism needs to either be utterly obliterated, or have some drastic changes made to it, it's über destructive and keeps getting away with it, and everyone thinks it's ultimately a good thing, people have no fucking clue, do they? : /
maybe we should change the name of the mens rights movement to "all that is good movement" so that if anyone disagrees with what we say, people can just say shit like "SO you hate all that is good?! you bastard!!" ugghhhh.
Please someone who knows more about the racism in feminism, share your knowledge on the the true extent of it.
I'm mostly interested in knowing how they get away with it.
Androgen:
This is kind of a "Politics" forum post.
Yes, white women have played a very large role in the oppression of blacks throughout American history. Remember all those goons in the south were often lynching a black man because he looked or spoke to a white women and she took extreme offense to this violation upon her "sanctity and honor." Black people have nothing in the United States, 50% of black men are arrested by 23 (along with 40% of white men). They make up a huge portion of the prison population as well. They occupy an extremely tiny portion of Universities in regards to their population size - compared to races like Asians who are 12% of the population in California and have nearly 50% of the University of California's enrollment spots.
When people get mad about black people receiving some sort of excess treatment, it's really picking on the kid in the corner who gets beat up every day because someone finally noticed he was being beat up every day. A lot of the problems with the black community are extremely systematic. I'm definitely more for "let's get black people jobs" than "let's issue more labor visas." I'm not really opposed to immigration as a rule, but when there are people in the country who need jobs and resources that will be taken by immigrants, I do get a little annoyed.
Black people have an extremely unique (and terribly brutal and unjust) history in America. It's not like saying "Islam can be pretty violent and they've been heavily at war with western powers for a long time now." These were people whose ancestors were sold and brought here as property, forced into slavery and when they were released from slavery, treated just as poorly if not worse in some respects. They have a long history in America and they deserve every ounce of participation in our society as they've been here just as long as whites have and have endured sickening brutalities. I don't believe in punishing whites for sins of their ancestors, but the systematic discrimination faced by blacks is an utterly sickening chapter of human history. Unlike white women, black people actually were severely oppressed in America.
For the same reason, we don't have reservations for Mexicans because, well, most of them were immigrants as well and we didn't drive them off land and exterminate them when we came here.
Anyway, my point is, feminists claim they've endured endless brutal oppression at the hands of men... but you'll never find a picture of it like this (look at all the smiling ladies):
And me in response:
Honestly when I look at that picture and see the expressions on those people's faces -- well, they aren't like disney villains but they are just like farmers who herd cattle and sometimes slaughter them. Very matter of fact about the whole thing.
I think women played a role in Jim Crow south where their involvement in the welfare system made them brokers of a sort. They would have unemployed black families apply for welfare benefits, and they could use that situation to help certain companies -- favored companies who gave money to the right politicians, and also possibly who helped to endow the various women's colleges these female welfare workers graduated from -- get really cheap black labor when they needed it. All through a welfare system that created dependency then kicked men off in order to force them to work cheaply. There were a lot of welfare schemes that varied from state to state during Jim Crow, but apparently they all did have a pattern of inefficiency built in where government jobs for white women vastly took precedence over generosity to the poor. However, the feminist movement's ascendancy coincided with the War on Poverty's NATIONALIZATION and FEDERALIZATION of the welfare system. And if you read certain articles on governance feminism -- try googling "janet halley governance feminism" and you will find a few -- every so often sprinkled into the narrative, you will see them explaining that feminists have "moved away from seeing the welfare system as the tool for realization of their goals and towards incarceration as their primary tool for realization of their goals." Not exact words, I am trying to quote from memory and am lazy right now.
Still, after reading that, I decided to research the timing of the Civil War, rise of Jim Crow South, and establishment of all those women's colleges that later became bastions of feminism. Sure enough, just like I expected, they all happened AT THE SAME TIME in the late 19th century. Furthermore, I might also note one thing. Feminism -- when seen as a movement embedded in the welfare bureaucracy -- only took on the character of a national movement as the war on poverty FEDERALIZED the welfare system.
It does make sense, previously with each state doing things slightly differently, it would have been impossible for them to come together as quite a cohesive national movement before. After all, the way one state wants to do things might well conflict with the way another state wants to do things. But, once the federal government creates a uniformity of design in the system, a political movement tied to the interests of the system can coalesce on a national stage at the same time -- and not before.
And to continue my comments, beyond what I wrote on AVFM, one thing I can note with feminism is, it's a pseudo-religious philosophy that is innately tied to a particular political system creating a uniformity of economic self-interest in government bureaucracies and related hangers on all throughout the country. Thus, a religious type ideology could be crafted that helps to buttress the specifics of this economic system design, even while the ideology is buttressed by the fact that actual positions are created for bureaucrats and other officials, conditional upon them converting to the ideology and marching in lock step with a few of its strict tenets.