Originally Posted by dmschlom
I agree with everything you said in your analysis -- except what I am saying is not guff. Nor does it contradict what I am suspecting.
Maxx:
Yes it does contradict what you are saying.
Because everything I'm saying explains EXACTLY how and why Elliot Rodgers went 'off the deep end' of his own accord.
Originally Posted by dmschlom
Yes, it is quite true, Rodgers could have gone off the deep end, gotten really angry, and decided to "get revenge" and so on and so forth. It strikes me, it's more likely he would have not done a huge big "production" like that on his own but done something much more personal, which would not have been a high profile show but something that looked like an attempt to get revenge on just one or two individuals he felt REALLY upset over. What he did -- even if he knew what he was doing and intended to -- is something I find unlikely for him or someone else to have done without the encouragement or collusion of others.
Maxx:
This is just wild speculation on your part. He didn't do a 'huge production' for starters. And there is nothing he did that requires the 'collusion of others'.
Also he killed a bunch of dudes he lived then ran down and shot a couple of people (most of them men) before getting taken down.
Originally Posted by dmschlom
However, everything you say about Elliot Rodgers would have made him far more susceptible to being set up and framed in the manner in which I suggest could have happened. He is not taught "game" -- he is not taught the social tools he needs to get people to treat him like a social equal, to give him the time of day, etc., and so forth. He is kept ignorant.
Maxx:
Why the hell would anyone 'frame' Elliot Rodgers?
Nothing you are suggesting makes an sense whatsoever.Originally Posted by dmschlom
But, anyway, back to Elliot Rodgers. He knows no game, people do not treat him normally, he is shunned. This makes him easy pickings for anyone who might want to set him up. All they'd have to do is, remember everyone is shunning him -- a few people can go say they are head honchos in Hollywood, with connections, influence, they want to make him a star (whatever promises they tell, they can have a story) and they are suddenly unusually nice to him, treat him nicely in a way he is not used to, and he is putty in their hands and will be willing to do whatever they want him to do, not suspecting.
Maxx:
No one set him up. People smart enough to set someone up in the absurd manner you suggest would be smart enough to pick a better target...
Rodgers loathed game and puas...anyone trying to set him up to smear these groups could have picked a target who didn't.
Rodgers shunned Men's rights and subscribed to liberal progressive news sources like Young Turks and Colbert Report...again people trying to smear or shun MRAs or the MRM would have been smart enough to pick say an AvFM member or someone actually connected to the groups they might wish to smear. Libertarians. People who actually expose actual shady government dealings.
Rodgers father was a militant atheist who blew much of his fortune making a documentary attacking the church. If this was a set up by statists (in the government or part of the government or whatever) wouldn't they have set up someone that was actually affliated the church rather than someone who was so focused on a personal secularist crusade against it that he took his eye off the ball while his son decended into insanity?
Originally Posted by dmschlom
Well, yeah it's true most people would be a bit suspicious if asked to do videos like that -- except, notice his last video. he is obviously reading from a teleprompter, looking to the side every few seconds. Who is feeding him his lines? The speech was long enough so it couldn't all have been written down on one page. He would have had to have cue cards -- and then put one down and picked another one up. Or a several page statement written in large letters, but you'd see him do more than just looking to the side, you'd have to have heard him rustling pages. There were no page turns -- which there should have been, unless it was a teleprompter, but if there was a teleprompter, doesn't someone have to pace things so the lines get fed to him at the right speed? Or did he do it himself? Why did the New York Times not report "it appears he was reading from a prepared statement in that video" and then inquire as to whether cops FOUND the written statement, or found a teleprompter, assuming that was what he used? THAT'S FISHY.
Maxx:
NOTHING is fishy about it. You are fishing. Badly. And i don't think this sort of wild speculation is a fruitful avenue to go down but each to his own.
Originally Posted by dmschlom
is, the way it works, lack of "game" could both mean he might have snapped and done something -- except wouldn't he have done something more on the spur of the moment? More impulsive? Out of anger? But it also could have made him be simply way too easily manipulated by others.
So, what I'm saying isn't guff. But everything else you say, I totally agree with.
Maxx:
What are you talking about? Why would he have done something more 'spur of the moment' or 'more impulsive'? Are insane people known for being predictable and doing spur of the moment things? Where are you getting this from?
Have you read his manifesto? Are you suggesting it's fake too?
No one would manipulate Elliot Rodgers into doing these things because a guy like HIM doing things isn't part of the plan. If they'd set up a libertarian MRA NRA member and regular church goer there might be a shred of logic of reason behind what you are saying, but there isn't.
You can't agree with what I'm saying because what I'm saying is that if you simply join the dots everything that happened in this case MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
There isn't any mystery to any of it.
All the issues raised in my blog posts converged to create a perfect storm that makes perfect sense.
There is no need to reach the way you are.
Sometimes the shoe simply doesn't fit.
If someone in the government wanted to 'frame' someone for this Elliot Rogers...son of a hollywood liberal, half-asian raised as a miliant atheist secular progressive, fan of the young turks...anti-pua...anti-mra
...would be the WORST possible candidate for framing.
If these people are smart enough to pull off the absurd set up you suggest they'd not be dumb enough to pick Elliot Rodger as their mark.
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