Quote Originally Posted by dmschlom View Post
Well, yeah it's true most people would be a bit suspicious if asked to do videos like that -- except, notice his last video. he is obviously reading from a teleprompter, looking to the side every few seconds. Who is feeding him his lines? The speech was long enough so it couldn't all have been written down on one page. He would have had to have cue cards -- and then put one down and picked another one up. Or a several page statement written in large letters, but you'd see him do more than just looking to the side, you'd have to have heard him rustling pages. There were no page turns -- which there should have been, unless it was a teleprompter, but if there was a teleprompter, doesn't someone have to pace things so the lines get fed to him at the right speed? Or did he do it himself? Why did the New York Times not report "it appears he was reading from a prepared statement in that video" and then inquire as to whether cops FOUND the written statement, or found a teleprompter, assuming that was what he used? THAT'S FISHY.
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Maxx:
NOTHING is fishy about it. You are fishing. Badly. And i don't think this sort of wild speculation is a fruitful avenue to go down but each to his own.
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dmschlom:
Hold on one minute. Where is the video? Are you telling me that Elliot Rodgers wasn't constantly pausing in his statement, looking to the left because he needs to READ MORE, and then looking back to the right to continue his statement?
What's your position on the Elliot Rodgers video? Did he memorize that whole speech? Or did he read it from a prepared statement?
You are telling me that I am "fishing." Well, last time I ever went fishing was when I was a teenager and my grandfather took me fishing on his boat near where he lived by the ocean. And that was over 20 years ago.I haven't gone fishing in 20 years. Telling me I am going fishing is not a response.
You also use the words "wild speculation."
You did not need to use the word "wild." If my statement was "wild," you could let it speak for itself.
As for the rest of what you say, you are trying to tell me that "they" -- I don't know who "they" is -- seem not to have a motive you could understand for framing such an individual. But, you see, I am not claiming per se that anyone DID frame him. I am merely questioning whether or not they might have. And, if they did, how they could have gone about it. Some of the facts of the case allow for that to be a plausible interpretation. Some of the facts of the Michael Brown case in ferguson also allow for a similar plausible interpretation which has a few striking parallels, but I am not interested in exploring that issue here. A lot of people claim Michael Brown was set up. If he wasn't, all I know is the police did a whole bunch of really strange stuff in that case -- enough so they deserve to be considered NOT TRUSTWORTHY.
Under the assumption that the police -- and the mainstream media, including the New York Times -- are NOT TRUSTWORTHY, I really would withhold judgment on the whole Rodgers thing until I knew all the facts. Which, of course, I don't. Maybe it was reported later on, the whole issue of how Elliot Rodger could have been narrating his video from a prepared statement. In an ordinary case reported in the media like that, the media would report that it appeared it made the video reading from a prepared statement, that cops looked for the statement, and that they either found it or didn't. And that they tried to investigate or figure out whether he had third party accomplices. Part of the process of determining whether he did it by himself, or had help, would have been an investigation as to whether or not someone was HOLDING the written statement he was reading from up for him to see or not. How long did it take for cops to figure out Elliot Rodgers was acting alone?
I have been paying close attention to Naomi Wolf's Facebook page where she has been noticing, of late, and pointing out, of late, that there seem to be a lot of irregular stuff and unreliable media coverage out there. For instance, she argued some of the ISIS videos may have been fabricated, and criticized the New York Times and other media outlets for failing to show sufficient skepticism in the matter. Later on, I think it's been acknowledged that some of them were fake. With all that in mind, I am simply noticing, they failed to report on whether or not Elliot Rodger appeared to be reading from a prepared statement or teleprompter in his last statement, in which case thorough reporting would have asked, was any such thing found?
So I am questioning things. It's speculation of course -- but not wild speculation.